----------------------------------------------------------- page 3 ----------------------------------------------------------. formed mostly from former servicemen. Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. view 2 and The seller states that: It is said this marking was used to indicate issue to security guards at military installations. There is a Luftwaffe Eagle 2. 351 pages. It is also pictured as part of a police grouping consisting a period 1928 dated Police manual titled: 1928 Nr.7,1 Vorschrift fr die Waffenausbildung der Shutzpolizei or 1928 Nr.7,1 Regulations for the weapons training of the Police and an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster along with a 1929 Police Luger, rear gripstrap marked L.W.58 (Landjgerei Wiesbaden, weapon number 58) with original, unmodified magazine . This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. These markings were not used by the Nazis, thus we will see many Bayonets that are mismatched - which is not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers S.B. (communications training The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. Despite the fact that both Weimar Lugers and Buy 9MM Rare 9X19 Luger PTP/s Polizei German Police Surplus Ammo 50 Rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 966676154 . The original brown leather holster was probably dyed/swabbed black, at this time, to conform to regulations. links[1]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; Translated cover of The Police Pistols, Dresden manual. Borge Villy Redsted Pertersen, alias 'Lieutenant Larsen' and other cover names, was among those who overcame. the transcription. $60. A noted holster collector and expert states after examining pictures of the subject unidentified maker cut-back Artillery to Police holster that: The cleaning rod leather section added to the subject Artillery cleaning rod pouch or sleeve, came from an original sleeve. Geit dem Frscheinen der ersten Uuslage im Febraur d. Zs. luger1. Nevertheless, cut-back artillery Luger holsters are inexplicably associated with the new police cleaning rods and appears self-evident that possibly, some of the new design police cleaning rods with brass stops were carried in the attached cleaning rod pouches of the converted LP.08 artillery to police holsters, and they also could be found in police stations. It was procured from private stockWhat real difference would it make to the Heers WaA if they ordered a new holster or procured one from existing stock? section slot then, 2) inserting Over all good condition. Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. Was it a difference in caliber or what is obvious that I am missing. The first toggle link is marked with the Mauser Commercial Banner Code. German firearms are loaded with a variety of markings and stamps. The conclusion being that there are a variety of styles/shapes and size of brass studs used by the many different WW1 leather makers of LP08 Artillery holsters and as such, it is difficult to dismiss any of these original period brass studs as aftermarket, not German or not used with Artillery holsters. This holster is seldom found and is considered very desirable by collectors. HIPO as well as Gestapo had their informers. links[2]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Pictured is an identical holster in the collection and additionally pictured with a 1908/13 commercial/military/police, no chamber date Luger, serial number 69859 and a separate view of 69859 serialized in the hidden commercial style. The bases for these identifications are as follows: a. NowThis holster displays three distinct branches of service either real or fake. This is a 9mm Luger manufactured by DWM for the Riff Tribe in Morocco. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. and Band II or Volume II published in 1921 Weimar Germany with the cover title: Das Lehrbuch fr die Polizeischulen or The textbook for the police schools. German manufactured commercial holster, original pistol model unknown, as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap, WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung, an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. Helping Police). It didn't really have to exactly comply or match others issued to a military unit preparing for battle. It has no maker mark nor datePresumably a commercial. On the back, between the belt loops is a Nazi Eagle, short wingsAlmost Police looking but cannot be as it is a WaAThe # appears to be JL16. The eagle in front is the type of the Weimar era and was in use from 1919 - 1939. Even though the unidentified holster has been modified to fit a P.08, it is suggested by collectors that the Railway Protection Police mostly used non-Luger pistols. The base is too thick and the ball shape is incorrect. by Poot 06 May 2016, 07:54, Post A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. It was one of 1,000 purchased by the U.S. This statement appears to be somewhat contradicted, where earlier on page 1262 Fig. An inspection of other pre-WW1 Artillery holster/stocks in the collection shows yet another shape/style and size of cleaning rod pouch/sleeve affixed brass stud. Although, common to both cut-back Artillery holsters featured herein, as originally made, was the inability to close the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap over a fully inserted Police cleaning rod without modifications, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud on the subject example 1 unidentified maker cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location to the example 2, 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap. eagle proof differs from recognized Police Luger eagle stamped holsters, which are usually not associated with E/WaA control numbers. Sind viele Uenderungen aus dem Gebiete des Staats=, Polizei= und Strafrechts eingetreten. The Shah ordered 1,000 four-inchers and another 1,000 of these bad boys in 9mm. Based on the ratio proportion of the three rounds next to the muzzle protector, clearly indicates that the pictured muzzle protector is the smaller or shorter length spring-loaded variation 1 example and not the variation 2 longer length, not spring-loaded ERMA made muzzle protector. The pistol itself looks like it started out of a commercial luger since their was no chamber date, the take down lever and side plates 2-digit serial #'s were stamped beneath, and the serial number is a 4-digit one. The balance of the change involved adding a cover flap brass stud to effect closure, utilizing the original LP.08 holster body up-strap and it is certain in this first conversion that the holster rear leather shoulder strap stock block was retained. The holster conversion was similar to the below example 2 except that it is stamped on the rear with the original holstered police Luger serial number 5008, and fortunately the holster still retains the matching 5008 serial number stamped loading tool. The standard 6 barrel is marked Germany on the underside. Regarding the S. H.133. links[3]='http://www.marnamilitaria.com'; Below is the translated Introduction section of Volume I. Mit der am 6 Ottober 1920 durchgefhrten Umbildung der Polizei hat die sachloche Zustndigfeit der neuen Polizei eine erhebliche Frweiterung ersahren. There are several markings on the holster. Sonderwagen-Staffel, gun 5, V. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1932. May be blued from 1923. The magazine has a blued tube and aluminum base. Wissen ist Macht, das gilt fr jeden, der im ffentlichen Leben steht und vorwrstsstrebt, besonders aber fr die Polizeibeamten, da ihn sein Beruf tglich und stundlich in engste Berhrung mit der Bevlterung bringt. The added belt loops are based on two other, more extensively converted artillery to police holsters discussed below. In addition, the Guide provides guidance on wages and pension issues for the police. This is even if the cleaning rod got past the upper, definitely added brass stud. . Get Guns.com offers and news!! It should be noted that the World of Lugers Proof Marks 1977 by S. Constanzo, page 108 pictured E/Mg10 eagle is a different style from the subject E/Mg10 eagle. the police cleaning rod was used in conjunction with a Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector attached to the P.08 sight band/block, many collectors and dealers are not The subject WaAJL16 stamped Police style holster is the first one of two noted examples with the second WaAJL16 stamped holster being a P.08 Army style holster which has generated much collector speculation and opining. Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. The fourth is a very early 3-digit, circa 1930 production DWM/Mauser commercial/Police Luger serial number 873V. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1922. It is, therefore, hard to imagine that the lower positioned brass stud, affixed to the original cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, despite its thicker base, is a replacement of non-German origin. Stay in the know. Regimental markings on a 1916 P08 Luger - Arms and other weapons - The Great War (1914-1918) Forum. Note that the first photo posted by Ron has the same missing corner. the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. is an identical holster in the collection, 1908/13 commercial/military/police, no chamber date Luger, serial number 69859. separate view of 69859 serialized in the hidden commercial style. The pistol is fitted with a set of checkered walnut grips. 3 days Left DWM 1906 SWISS POLICE LUGER SEMI-AUTO PISTOL. Still, however, somewhat refutes his prior reportedly statements, five years later in Weimar Lugers 1993 on page 181, Figure 47a text caption where he dismisses the (carry) use of the police cleaning rods with cut-back artillery Luger holsters where he states that: These (police cleaning) rods probably remained in Army or police stations as the brass stop prevents them for fitting in holsters. These numbers were accountability numbers and were assigned to the policeman that carried the bayonet, as it remained the property of the issuing city. Brief explanation of the Danish HIPO-organization (as the name is mentioned again and again): HIPO was a Danish corps, established 1944 by the German Gestapo, recruited among Danish traitors after, most of the Danish policemen on September 19th 1944 were arrested and sent to concentration camps in Germany. All P-08 Military Lugers. 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D. Either the original placement of the holster body cleaning rod pouch/sleeve entrance lip was incredibly low, with the entrance lip being 46 m/m below the holster body spine edge entrance lip, requiring the addition of a 33 m/m length leather strip, raising the entrance to within 15 m/m of the holster body spine entrance lip. JavaScript is disabled. There are impression lines around this WaA both top and bottom where the edges of the stamp have struck the leather. Collectors state the following regarding the WwMg/41 marking: Opinion on these stamps has differed over the years, but current thought is that the marks may be attributed to the waffenwerk depot at Magdeburg. To the best of our knowledge, all the examples shown are original pre-1945 manufacture. Caliber 7.62mm - 6.5" barrel. It has all matching parts to include the side plate and take down lever which were stamped again with the same 2 digits as before but on the front of each part like would would see on a military marked pistol. Pictured for comparison are examples 1 and 2. Weight . The only known publication that mentions the E/WaAJL16 stamping is found in World of Lugers, a.k.a. Hesse, Saxony, and others. out and what appears to be a Nazi issue number 522 added to the scabbard metal throat and bayonet handle cross-bar. The reassignment of 9754r to the Weimar navy explains the removal of the Sear Safety and the Magazine Safety. These figure on the Mauser inventory listings of 09/30/1930 and 09/30/1930. Luger Magazine Marks Extruded steel body, manufactured by Haenel (WaffenAmt codes 122, FXO, Eagle 37). But there is a very great difference: Gestapo was German, working in enemy-country. The missing upper left corner of the left grip is part of the mag safety modification. SOLD - 1921 DWM Luger - Police Rework $1,950.00 Availability: Out of stock SKU 89661 - 15966 Next/Previous Description 6/4/21 - This is a nice example of a rare 1921-dated DWM Luger. The first stamp of WwMg/41 may signify Waffenwerk Magdeburg. Pictured is one such unique example. S.Br.I.365 - Schutzpolizei of Breslau, first precinct, item 365, LS.Al.13 - item 13 of the Landjaegerei school in Allenstein, K.B.526 - item 526 of the Kriminalpolizei of Berlin. Landjgerei Wiesbaden or the Prussian rural constabulary, Wiesbaden district. Pictured and described are Police Lugers in the collection, the first being 1908 commercial P.08 s/n 69859 shown with a period police holster. Diese Frwgungen mssen die Grundlage fr die Uusbildung des Polizeibeamten bilden. Bild (picture) 102-00327A Foto: o .Ang. Police Lugers: German Police Lugers & their markings, 1918-1958 by Tinker. Ulle diese Reuregelungen sind bei der Bearbeitung der zweiten Uuslage berudschtigt worden und haben in einigen Ubschnitten umsangreiche Uenderungen notwendig gemacht. It has a 100mm (4") barrel, is modified as a police issue with a sear and magazine safety, plus it has a police unit identification markings. Pistols and Holsters. The actual marking is likely WaAJt18. By signing up you agree to Guns.com's Without delay, lets get into the coolest of the bunch: DWM Model 1900 7.65mm Ejercito Mexicano marked commercial pistol made in hopes of gaining contracts with the Mexican military. by Poot 08 May 2016, 08:12, Post of Stettin. 7: 505: . Ordnance Department in August 1901 for troop trials with the U.S. Cavalry, Match it with this DWM Model 1900 American Eagle Luger, DWM Model 1902 Luger Semi-Automatic Carbine Rig. First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. the vast majority of Weimar era Police wore plain belt buckles. 19-105, formally of the Dr. G.L. Due to the different design of the variation 1 muzzle protector this particular interference issue is not encountered. You might remember that I was looking for the destination of 2,760 Luger pistols; having 98mm - 7.65mm barrels that came from Berlin to Oberndorf. Pictured is an example featured in Weimar Lugers by J Still, 1993, officially discontinued. Five Complete Chapters covered by the book include: Chapt. Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. Igorak89 Member Posts: 35 Joined: 03 Oct 2013, 10:01 Location: Serbia Re: Luger markings identification - help the To see other police manual examples, such as full pagination and other details, click here. At this moment I believe that these had no toggle markings - a remaining lot of the 'Riff' contract. The frame tells us that it was an artillery (200mm barrel) and has had the barrel replaced by Simson & Co., the only one authorized to build Lugers after the great war by the treaty of Versailles. Checkered walnut grips are not numbered. Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline, MO 64658 USA.]. Example 2. The subject Police holster E/Mg10 stamping is recognized by collectors as authentic, based on three examples seen on WwMg/41 dated WW2 military issued P08 holsters. Abtlg. 4. 5.6 (Cleaning Kit 34) pictured (Fig. a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger, The third is a late 1920s sear bar and magazine safety, German acceptance stamped E/WaA66 Police Luger s/n 4559t. He should work on the internal corsage, promote public security, order and tranquility and, above all, give every citizen the opportunity to fulfill his moral duty to exercise his intellectual and physical strength to the full. It is curious that the Hannover Police markings, S. Hn. 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