All the pivoting/bearing surfaces are smoothed up and polished, and the rebound spring is lightened by trimming a coil or so off of it. First of all a 5-inch barrel just looks beautiful. BOTH ARE IN 100% condition. The K-Frame Model 19 is iconic, and Im pleased that its back in production. SKU: 12040. In a day where 4-6 barrel revolvers were found in duty holsters. Four inches would be the right length to fit holsters we got in the Border Patrol. Then I add one or two more targets at various distances but none more than seven yards and practice fast transitions from target to target. Lighter and tougher and more precise than ever, it's the perfect back country hunting rifle. Ive got a 642 and a 686+ already. During the sixties and seventies, the Model 19s were works of art with pinned barrels, recessed cylinders, and the walnut magna stocks were hand-fitted to each frame. It features a 4-inch barrel, adjustable sights, and a smooth trigger pull for maximum accuracy. Sights: fixed front, adjustable blade rear (others available) revolver on the big N-frame and had been doing so since 1935. A very good finish, but no deep pools of gleaming blue. Agreed to this day based on FBI shooting data no other normally carried SD or LE duty cartdige comes close to the one shot stop data of the full power 357 loaded with 125gr JHP of old. Its an attractive gun, still sporting the original checkered walnut grips with round S&W medallion, and a 6 barrel (introduced in 1963). Its my hypothesis that these Smiths (not that the Colts were probably much stronger) are the reason the common factory loads were neutered in the first place. Ive been told the weakness issue at the forcing cone was rectified with the introduction of the 19-4. .357 loads are not full pressure .357 loads and the Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, etc. For someone like me, with size large hands, the Model 19 is simply a joy. The two-piece design supports the inner barrel tube at both ends, and according to some experts, it enhances accuracy. Give that .357 more room to run and its got a lot more power than the 9mm. Former gun slinger, current gun writer. The Model 19 was frequentlythe best revolver these officers could afford. The trigger on our test pistol was surprisingly smooth and the single action broke cleanly at 4 lbs. The revolver dons a highly polished, blued finish and traditional thumbpiece for a classic look. This causes a greater impact force on the rifling contact area. I also fired it offhand, using my regular self-defense practice drills. That gun had much better balance and was far superior to the GPs. The Smith & Wesson 617 revolver has an issue with failure to fire about three or four times per cylinder on average (out of ten rounds). My plan was to cut this revolver neophyte some slack until I got to this part: My slow times were simply due to the triggers cycle time. Remember, that conversation took place in 1954 before medium-frame .357 Magnum double-action revolvers became common in the industry. Simple 38 special 158gr Remington Target or Federal 158 LRN Champion even Magtech 158 LRN will work. In 1970 stainless steel was offered, and in that form it was called the Model 66. If you dont have time to aim, shooting a snubby is just like pointing your fist, but you can feel a long barrel out there, like pointing your finger. Firearm Specifications SKU: 12040 Model: Model 19 Classic Caliber: 357 Magnum 38 S&W SPECIAL P Capacity: 6 Without a competent gunsmith, there are relatively few things you can do at home with this gun. Model 19 Classic Smith & Wesson. Excellent - 95%+ condition with or without box. Thats all I can think of? As support to these claims do a quick search on Google DR 158 LRN revolver site:www.bullseyeforum.net , But if you want the best ammo try Atlanta Arms .38 SPL 158gr LRN load or 110 or 125 gr jhp match ammo this will shoot sub 1.5 @ 25yd in any in spec 4+ barreled S&W revolver. No Smith with Hillary Hole for me. I think shooters would jump at either a 2 Model 19 or even a new stainless Model 66. They also allow for setting min cyl gap. I've noticed that at times the cylinder is hard to open. The loss of the Model 19 was mourned by many Smith & Wesson fans. Then I got a snubby Model 19 to shoot the snubby matches. Shoots like a dream. Primer was hit but no go bang. If you remove or modify the lock, then you are risking being demonized by an anti-gun DA if you ever find yourself in court after a defensive shooting. The Smith & Wesson Classics series of revolvers have been enhanced with modern internal components, but mimic the look and feel of classic models. And then, because this is grumbly bear country and I cant handle the recoil of an N frame in .44 Magnum, a Model 66 came along. Using the Applied Ballistics Shooter program I have both rounds hitting within a 10th of an inch of each other at 25 yards. Replace the spring of the magazine. Exactly why the first thing I did was skim the pictures looking for a shot of the cylinder release. . Also, I have only seen a model 19 with those squared front sights one other time. Smith & Wesson was manufacturing its .357 Mag. In 1974 my first duty weapon was the S&W M-15. If my count is correct, Smith offers, at least 14 models based on the K-frame. Smith & Wesson Model 686 .357 Magnum/.38 S&W Special +P Revolver $ 919 99 919 dollars 99 cents. It is significantly shorter than the rear sight on my 1975 vintage Model 19. Finally fulfilled my childhood dream of becoming a cowboy. They were traded in on the Sig Sauer 225 in .45 cal. Make no mistake, the recoil is very stout! People who load their own should be aware that the worries about the flame-cut of the topstrap is only one issue with stout loads. obligatory key lock. Truly, the Model 19, 686, and all of the other Smith & Wessons during that time were exceptionally well made and great pistols. That was one of the places where I can certainly notice the difference between this gun and my Model 29. I spoke with two long retired officers who carried (and loved) the four-inch Model 19. But if you know what you want, shop around. The front sight wanders around too much for me to do better. The Model 19 Classic revolver features a handsome set of walnut grips, a 4.25 barrel, a black adjustable rear sight, and red ramp front sight. So you get some advantage, but not much. The red ramp Baughman-style front sight is pinned into the barrel shroud. The cylinder measures 1.45 inches in diameter and 1.67 inches in length. Smith & Wesson 586 Classic Problems. $12.60 shipping . If you ever get into Grizzly territory youll want the .45. It never failed me from the 50 yd line and forward. $800-900. I HAVE A NICE COLLECTION OF GUNS WITH SOME EXAMPLES OF MODELS I USED IN MY CAREER. which I would avoid in the J and K frames. 2) The re-design of the frame in order to better accommodate the stupid lock makes the gun look cheap and unattractive, it has ruined the lines of an otherwise beautiful revolver. I believe a large fiber-optic or dot-type front sight would make defensive shooting faster, but I grew up shooting S&Ws red ramp front sight, so it works just fine for me. I CARRIED A 4 NICKEL AS A ROOKIE IN 1974, AND WHEN I WENT TO VICE/NARCTICS A 2 1/2 ONE. As the law enforcement community transitioned to semi-auto pistols, the demand for the Combat Magnum waned. My best draw and fire of six shots into the same circle at 15 yards was 4.17 seconds. I have a fairly new 629. For re-loaders, some powders have a little more of a history of this unfortunate degradation than others. I retired as aFederal Det/Lt carrying a Sig P228. Great revolvers! Check Price . The only change was to substitute grips that better fit my small hand. When shooting double action, the trigger was suddenly harder to pull. Kudos to the gunsmiths making the sweet old guns even sweeter. There ought to be one of those shrouds over the ejector rod. Im getting a Ruger or a Colt. It has the sweetest trigger of any gun I own. The Glock is the perfect example of this principle in semi-auto. Deliberate? Behind-the-Scenes at SIGs Electro-Optics Factory, Speer Gold Dot .38 Special +P 125 gr. There is nothing wrong with the new classic model 19. Smith and Wesson Model 19-3 Genuine Factory Original Box with Tools Papers 1955. The best thing to be done is make the cylinder gap as tight as possible, so as to limit how much heated gas can escape the gap. With only 60 rounds? Behind-the-Scenes at SIGs Electro-Optics Factory, Previous post: The What & the Why: Cowitnessing Sights. Failure to feed, Failure to eject, Stove Piping. In 1955, Smith & Wesson introduced the .357 Combat Magnum which would become the Model 19 two years later when the company went to a model-numbering system. A hit dead center is counterproductive if you spend extra time to get it. Open the cylinder and check to see if the extractor rod has come slightly unscrewed? In fact, with the shrouded hammer and slimmed down profile, their 3 revolver is probably superior to a comparable S&W from any era for carry. Finally, it isnt so long that it becomes overly difficult to carry or draw. The new Model 19 is also offered in a stainless steel version outside the Classic line. Calibers includes .22 LR, .38 Special, .357 Magnum. I could have saved myself a few minutes of pointless reading if this sad fact had been revealed earlier. Their twelve-pound trigger weight is all the safety it needs. As I get older, their looks grow on me with each passing year. S&W also provides this synthetic grip, which completely transforms the personality of the gun. Makes the older mint ones a bargain at $800-$1000. The workaround:shoot range sessions with .38 specials, carry .357 Magnums for hunting and self-defense. It takes some work, you might pay a bit more, but with a little effort there are Model 19s out there for sale from before the Hillary Hole was introduced. The Model 19 Classic is a great addition to the Smith & Wesson line and will hopefully renew the interest in wheelguns for new shooters. Correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe Hillary had anything to do with mandating a key lock be put on Smith & Wesson hand guns. The Border Patrol furnishes us with those .38 shells with no questions asked about what we do with them. My new from the factory custom shop model 41 pistol is a nightmare. But I felt like the Smith & Wesson Model 19 could do better. Longer bullets are guided by the cylinder throat and thus are not impacting the lower barrel throat as with shorter bullets. I love the 19 more than anything and prize them, evwn over my new Sig P226, Mt25 Romeo, I will pick up next week when I get back home from a cruise. Ive never cleaned a gun Ive reviewed before before, but I felt duty bound to put this one back in same shape in which I got it. HK VP9 and again needs trigger work. The new, reintroduced Model 19 .357 Magnum K-Frame revolver is offered with a 4.25-inch barrel, a six-shot cylinder, a polished blued finish, walnut grips, an adjustable rear sight, and a red-ramp front sight. But it never got close to breaking that 1 mark. And their 4 DASA with exposed trigger is a very comparable choice for anyone interested in the current 4 Model 19 for target shooting or home defense at that barrel length. And pistol grips can often be considerably less than comfortable. Reliability * * * * * So Im always hopeful that discussion of a new S-W model might delete the lock, but 99 times out of 100 I am disappointed. There are countless instances where .38 Special simply cannot get the job done and one needs a round with far more penetration. Get the best deals on smith wesson model 19 when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. But when you despise the Hillary Hole that makes it a lot easier to consider a Kimber instead. It was less than $200 and worth twice that. It is hard to describe the appeal of revolvers. Try as I might, though, I only got one group out of 10 smaller than 1.5. The Smith and Wesson Combat Magnum is alive and well. But, Ill never be ashamed to show off my S&W wheel guns! Great shooter i carried one as a officer and i still have it , it feels natural in your hand i love the k frame 19. This is essentially a re-creation of the Model 48 K-22 MRF with a four or six inch barrel (sans under-lug). K-Frame. Brian Pearce's article in the December 2014 issue of Handloader Magazine, (issue 293), was quite favorable to the new "L-frame" S&W model 69. Modern is NOT always better. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. : ,092. It does everything I required of it when I bought it but I didnt include pleasure to hold and own in the requirements. The Model 19 is great for those just learning to shoot a revolver, as well as for a daily carry, personal defense pistol. 4.5 (54) Smith & Wesson Model 642 .38 Special +P Revolver . Beautiful pistol better than a colt python 357 but not as nice as the colt diamond back 38+p which I used as my service weapon , colt python had wheel alignment problems and the new ones have the same problem showing up. Those were model 15s, another k frame chambered in .38 special. If it functions OK unloaded, the problem is most likely powder residue glued to a chamber wall with factory lubrisludge. In 1955 the .357 Magnum version was first offered. The 19 is a great serious-looking revolver. Accelerating the big .44 cylinder from a stop takes much more energy than the svelte cylinder on the model 19. breadcrumb. Yep, Ill take the 1st shot at 25 yds, but if the beast keeps charging, Ive got 5 more that I can get off in the next few seconds. Soon the pinned barrel and recessed cylinder were dropped while a number of improvements increased the service life. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Thanks for a wheel gun article. Except When It Is, SHOT Show: Smith & Wesson Gets Into 5.7 With the New M&P5.7 Pistol, SHOT Show: Digging Into the Really New RIA 5.0 9mm Pistol, SHOT Show: The GLOCK 47 9mm Pistol Is Finally Available For Everyone, http://ruger.com/products/gp100/specSheets/1740.html. Free shipping on many items | Browse your favorite brands | affordable prices. When I was younger, I couldnt understand the appeal of a wheelgun, when semi pistols could be had. Cylinder Not Locking: When you pull the trigger on the Smith and Wesson 327, you might sometimes hear a slight click. The question is: will enough wannabe revolver buyers want a new Model 19 and not care about the Hillary Hole to make it an ongoing success? View. The Gold Dot averaged 1,372 fps while the Agulia load averaged 1,178 fps. Design and production of new firearms is always a trade-off. Burr maybe? The ejector rod is tight. The revolver dons a highly polished, blued finish and traditional thumbpiece for a classic look. Shooting and discussing the new S&W Model 19 Classic. In 1966, Smith introduced a Stainless Combat Magnum, the Model 66. End shake? As the law enforcement community transitioned to semi-auto pistols, the demand for the Combat Magnum waned. On the range, the Classic 19 handled and shot as well as my older Model 19. When engaged, it prevents the hammer from being cocked and the trigger from being squeezed. Then a couple of years later, I wised up and got an S&W 19 four inch and carried that until my wife bought me a Model 66 with a six inch barrel, the stainless version of the Model 19. Its part of S&Ws Classics line. The weight makes up for the 4.0-inch length. But my first wheel gun many years ago was actually calling to me from the gun case at my buddys shop. Instead, all we get are 686s and GP-100s and the added weight that keeps them from being good field guns. Call Smith & Wesson. Great write-up, JWT. Apparently, Gallery of Guns sells 5 GP100 with a satin finish. Have shot the .357 full loads and I am NOT Impressed with the OVER the TOP Recoil! Ive shot Kimbers revolvers at a range day when we partnered with them for a veterans benefit event. I may want to re-think this logic during Archery season though. Feeding Problem. 5 more deals from grabagun.com . Chris Whisler writes . In my eyes, it's one of the sexiest revolvers ever made. The Author of the article conveniently forgot to mention that despite the M19 having a double heat treatment it would shoot loose after only about 2,000 full power .357 magnum loads. For more information, please visit Smith-Wesson.com. The Model 19 Classic uses the K/L/N-Frame rounded grip frame that all S&W revolvers currently use. INTHE LATER PERIOD OF MY 40+ YEAR CAREER I CARRIED SEMI AUTOES, BUT NOTHING IS GREATER THAN MY WHEEL GUNS. To each his own. Trigger feels wonderful. Inadvertent? Since the TTAG editors cut my last comment, Ill be nicer this time. I usually head right to the range with a pistol. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. JSP. PERFORMANCE CENTER Model 19 Carry Comp . The only place Ive been able to get any is through buying 10-20 boxes online, and even then its difficult to know what one is getting or how effective it is. I regret firing the 6, but I will no fire the 4. EVERYONE PLEASE FORGIVE MY TYPING AS I AM ON VACATION ON CRUISE, TOO MANY UMBRELLA DRINKS! . Daily carry requires a good holster. The Classic also looks bigger in overall size so why would it be more delicate?, if so, it is a waste of money. A Worthy Successor. Aluminum alloy frame and cylinder Stainless steel barrel XS Sights White Dot front sight The flat part of your forcing cone is normal for this revolver and is one of the reasons the guns fail when one puts a steady diet of .357s through their guns. I prefer the new Colt King Cobra instead. . 9 oz. You can do a lot with a medium-size .357 Magnum/.38 Special double-action revolver. Im sure a lot of industry analysis, marketing discussions, etc went on before they decided to persist with that feature. The .357 cartridge was created by Winchester for S&W in the 1930's and used in the "N" frame S&W. The barrel is composed of an inner liner and an outer shroud. 1) The so-called Hillary Hole, I thought I could live with it when I bought my M-27 Classic.every time I look at the left side of the revolver, that freakin lock gets a little uglier, its become a deal breaker. Failure to fire twice. To me, it's a case of "you don't get a stupid lock, it's made in a period of better quality control and manufacturing, and it's less money." The most obvious difference is the arched profile of the frame, at the hammer. $969.00 . Most new gun owners will think this Classic is the best looking 357 magnum revolver. The pull is smooth, with some stacking just before the hammer breaks. Using the same bullet weight and barrel length, the standard .357 Magnum is still travelling as fast or faster at 100 yards than the 9mm+P is at 50 yards. The current Smith & Wesson info page lists the Model 19 as having a barrel length of 4.25 inches, an overall length of 9.875 inches, and a weight of 37.2 ounces. S&W Model 19 Classic .357 Magnum "Combat Master Reborn"!Re-Introduced after 19 years, the Classic has upgraded features but still keeps the Spirit of the ear. The only Smith I will own with a lock would be a .22 caliber, because I would never carry it for self-defense. PERFORMANCE CENTER Model 19 Carry Comp . | The 4.0-inch-barreled Model 19 was dropped in 1999. Id take the 6-inch in stainless steel, though Ive always wanted a 4-inch too. Drop in the parts and send it out the door. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Not sure why the author feels it is slow. First pistol I bought in 1965 when I started on the police department. Ill be the first to admit that when it comes to shooting, Im no Bill Jordan. Clearly, Im no Jerry Miculek. This cartridge can be used in any situation where a handgun could come into play. Contrast all that with a semi-auto pistol. Bill Jordan was very fast with the K. A little practice, perhaps. I think their appeal comes from the fact that you can see and actually feel the mechanics involved as you fire them. I always saw those as more for city kids that grew up without guns at home, or who didnt carry and hunt with them almost all year round, like we did. A little force is sometimes required, before it will "snap" open. When I got home, I played with it a bit and it suddenly started working just fine. We found them to be satisfactory and just as strong and durable as parts machined from steel bar stock. Every thing you need in a fighting pistol and nothing you dont need. What about single hand fire with a medium-framed .357? Just picked one up last week. Customization * * IF I had a Model 19 Id carry either .38 SPL Meat Mashers like I do now or way loaded down .357 with the same bullets. Thats there most, if any K-frame magnums failed. If you tried to drill & tap the top strap so you could use a screw to hold a piece of material in that area, youd weaken the top straps tensile strength. If I have to wear nice shoes, the gatsby does too. The Model 66 quickly became the preferred service pistol for law enforcement agencies across the country. Not great. I refuse to purchase one of their revolvers with that Clinton lock in the side! Gone are the old-style cylinder locking lug that was pinned into the barrel lug and the hollow ejector rod. Because the .38 bullet spends something like twice the time in the barrel as the .357 bullet, the barrel rises more under recoil before the .38 bullet leaves the barrel than it does with .357 loads. Does this mean the steel guns arent tough, and cant take magnum loads. Even though this is a 4 pistol with square butt stocks, the frame has a round butt contour. Not sure why the author keeps referring to the target stocks on both his original M19 and the new Classic M19 as magnas. Then again, I dont think we had home economics either, as girls learned to cook from their moms. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. As a note, good on whoever owned and maintained this revolver before I got it. The deep illustrious bluing found on all of the Classic revolvers from Smith & Wesson is simply one-of-a-kind. If you love to wear polyester fabric jackets? However, there are differences. so check Salt N Pepa Jacket which is a most selling outfit in our store, Shop now and get amazing discounts and offers. I cannot understand why S&W continues to drill that hole in the left side of their revolvers. These new Classic models were made for new gun owners. I found it to be easy to shoot accurately, and its balance and pointability were excellent. But it was nowhere near as classy as this thing looks. Thats a pretty substantial improvement in stopping power. Still, I normally practice with 38 spl, but often run a cylinder (or 2) of 357 just to keep me honest. Years later, Smith & Wesson started working on the Model 39-2 and released it to the civilian market around the early 1970s. The info pages further adds that, "The Smith & Wesson Classics series of revolvers have been enhanced with modern internal components, but mimic the look and feel of classic models. Another pet peeve of mine, people who dont know that those Federal, Hornady, etc. The revolver simply falls into the hand naturally andI imagine it would be even more so in a four-inch model. Smith & Wesson Model 69, 4.25" Barrel, 44 Magnum . You have some tough standards!:-). Better trigger control means better accuracy, and that means officers' lives saved. They walk into a gun shop and buy whatever they think looks great and makes them happy. I agree with JWT regarding barrel length and DG regarding quality. The Lawyer Lock aperture AKA the Hillary Hole that can prevent a shooter from getting a round off makes this gun worthless as a defensive weapon. Its failure due to the lock would not get me killed. Still they were/are wonderful feeling guns. My most accurate load was the Black Hills .38 Special 148-grain SWC ammo, and it averaged 2.47 inches for five, five-shot groups. Using a wide variety of ammunition, none of my five-shot groups shot from a sandbag were larger than two inches at 25 yards. . Having had. That said, Berettas are what you show your freinds, Glocks are what you show your enemies! Ships To Store. Sounds like you pulled out all the stops for a comprehensive review Jon. Later, Jordan became an outdoor writer and wrote for several gun magazines, including Shooting Times. Glad to see S&W had the same idea! It was a beautiful gun. If its new, contact Smith. The Smith & Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnumwasone of the most beloved handguns ever made. Try to get a gunsmith to remove the lock and they will decline because of liability concerns. Theyre a true shooters shooter. Im looking at a revolver after I make some more optics purchases. The Price for a Smith & Wesson 586 Classic has increased in cost by $0.00 in 2023 compared to 2022. Never missed a beat with specials. In 1957 Smith & Wesson gave its handguns a number designation, and the blued-steel medium-frame .357 Magnum model was named the Model 19. I bought one in 1980 and it had a 3.5 ounces trigger. Further, Ive noticed that on S&Ws webpage, they always depict the revolvers showing the right (non-hole) side of the weapon. I can fire mine faster than any handgun I have ever fired. Side Refine Panel. eBay; Sporting Goods; Hunting Equipment; Gun Storage; . Last night I primed 400 38 special cases with my last win smalls. Yes sir. They verified what I had already found searching the S&W forums: the top strap erosion and frame cracking was only an issue after firing thousands of rounds of .357. We are all showing our age here when complaining about the Hillary Hole, MIM parts, shrouded barrels. The revolvers cylinder is fluted and holds six rounds of .357 Magnum or .38 Special ammunition. A revolver in medium weight that has excellent handling, fires a powerful cartridge with wonderful accuracy. However, happened to watch a hickock45 review where he mentioned, it was spitting on him (cylinder gap) when he tested it. But when I started shooting PPC in 1974, it was instantly obvious that, trying to do it on the cheap, a Model 10 simply wasnt going to work. I dont shoot well enough to notice the difference. Specifications: Smith and Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum, Barrel Length: 6 (others available) 38 S&W SPECIAL +P . Could keep the ejector rod from getting bent if someone bumped his head on your gun. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Thats plenty good for self defense work, and also good enough for any hunting of light skinned game within the ballistic limits of the round. Right. Awesome if you arent though, and glad your practice is paying off for you. Aside from that blunder, Id also wager that he did better at home economics than physics in high school. The 19 isnt the heavy N-frame my Model 29 is. I tend to replace guns when I find something better. I would keep working with it. Keep your firearms safe, secure & in prestine condition. The info pages further adds that, "The Smith & Wesson Classics series of revolvers have been enhanced with modern internal components, but mimic the look and feel of classic models. Threats that might approach while hunting should give me time to discharge a formidable scoped 30-06 or AR. I was in awe. Not only is stainless steel more rust resistant than blued steel, the chromium content is greater and greatly reduces the amount of gas leeching, thus reducing the wear caused by flame and gas cutting. The trigger itself, however, is clearly superior on the older Model 19.. I have shot a model 66 with the new shrouded barrel and the lock. The Model 10 was our issue revolver when I became a cop. Fortunately, in 2018, Smith & Wesson reintroduced the Model 19 in their Classic line. An experienced smith fixed it for a few bucks. Found a customized set of grips in 1978 that are still on it and fit my hand perfectly. Id love a pair of early 80s model 681s the l frame was goldilocks for 357 magnums and 140grain jhps the all purpose bullet. On top strap flame cutting: Is there a way to add a reinforcing plate in that area that can act as a replaceable sacrificial surface? This brings the DA pull down to 9 pounds, and the trigger pull becomes much smoother. 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